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more an approach of what you said earlier "personalities don't come from the aether"

Just the weird idea that some unseen 3rd party, be it the brain or the subconscious, will decide on the tulpa's personality

12:39 AM

beyond normal processes and influences that you'd expect the host to experience too

^ right. It's not some mysterious wuju. Focus on that, not specifically the terminology young 'uns use

12:40 AM

It will probably take a full rewrite of the section

12:40 AM

err, paragraph

12:41 AM

Overall, with the laissez-faire approach, to Overall, with this approach, to go off what kopase said for over using the term laissez-faire (edited)

now that there's a new GAT can you follow up on the review of https://community.tulpa.info/thread-misc-peace-of-mind-in-multiples and https://community.tulpa.info/thread-misc-on-tulpas%E2%80%94an-essay-about-plurality-in-general-and-tulpamancy-in-particular which waited in the queue for two years now?

Peace of Mind in Multiples

Quote:It’s nice to have a happy and lovely tulpa in your head, someone who’s eagerly waiting for you to take a break and spend some time in wonderland with them. Tulpas are often deemed as best helper

On Tulpas—an essay about plurality in general and tulpamancy in ...

Quote:Tulpas. A community with questionable ideas and goals, united by a mystical word. Dozens of people practising forcing, hypnosis, altering their consciousness, meditating, trying to cope with the

Shinyuu, I skimmed over your guides, and I immediately found a formatting issue that bothered me: I don't like the "preview" because I find it to be both redundant and useless. Can you either post the entire guide of "Peace of Mind in Multiples" in the post or just leave the link by itself? It's fine if you want to leave a link to your original version, but that first guide wouldn't cause any issues length wise so it isn't necessary. I would prefer if you cut out the preview of the second guide and left the link, because that guide is long enough that copying and pasting it into mybb code could be troublesome. Personally, I would rather read all of the plain text contained in the post or click on a link, not read a preview, then click a link, and end up re-reading information I already read, which is annoying. Since this guide is free, why is a "preview" even necessary? Also, dumping the entire guide into mybb text preserves formatting consistency. No other guide or article on .info gives the viewer a "preview". If you really wanted to, you could post a short summary summing up your guide, but I don't think your guides are long enough to require that. If you were to post a summary, then you don't need the quote blocks, even if you decided to add the summary to your original blog posts. I found this issue when I was skimming your guide just to get an idea for how long it will take me to thoroughly review it. This is an issue I will take into consideration when I decide I'm ready to vote. (edited)

sure; I can replace the preview with a summary; works for me

Sweet, thanks

I will add them to the list

added another link to the queue for y'all

3:23 PM

@A long kiss goodnight you think this format https://community.tulpa.info/thread-forcing-on-forcing-developing-the-consciousness fits better?

Here is the list of guide we'll review in chronological order (unless for some reason the GAT decides to go out of order), going through them 1-by-1. If there are any that I've missed, the OP can request they be added.

Peace of Mind in Multiples
On Tulpas -- an Essay about Plurality...
Foghorn Meditation
A tip for those who have difficulty with long...
How to Refocus on Your Wonderland
How to Switch 
How to visualize in first person 
Kopase's Simple and Straightforward...
Tulpa Vocalization Practice
Easy guide on how to hear your tulpa
On Forcing: Developing the Consciousness

Felight 3/1/2019 3:28 PM

Guides will also only be reviewed if the OP is active and wants it to be

3:32 PM

If they're inactive or too busy then it'll go back to the bottom of the list

3:33 PM

But hopefully over time the list will shrink

@Shinyuu the formatting is much better, thank you. I don't recommend the informality, but otherwise I liked the summary.

yeahs; someone commented on trying to preserve a formal language but it's so boring; no one would read academic stuffs

3:42 PM

it's not a guide

3:43 PM

all three are for the articles section; I don't really write guides

I think formality and tone should be allowed to vary from guide to guide. These aren't research papers, these are guides meant for people to read and follow. An accessible writing style is helpful.

To anyone: what are some topics you'd like to see more or better guides about?

"sentience" is really not a term anyone should be using

7:46 PM

it's unclear and doesn't mean what most people think it means

7:47 PM

anyway my suggestion is switching, there are some guides already but most of them are unclear, especially as "switching" means different things to different people and it's rarely explained what they actually mean

7:47 PM

and most of them seem to address the "advanced possession" type that people like Apollo don't even consider switching

Yeah switching definitely needs more

7:48 PM

As does tulpa control in general

I feel I need a guide on... like, thought management? Advanced vocality? How do I let my tulpa say longer sentences, how do I listen to that without interfering or shutting thoughts off while trying to be quiet?

7:54 PM

I feel dumb

Thought management?

7:55 PM

So mindfulness?

I don't know, how or if mindfulness would solve that problem (edited)

So how would you specifically describe the issue? This is for a thread thingie we want to make

Hmmm... I feel if I listen "too hard" for my tulpa, I can't hear anything. I can hear them reply in 1-6 word sentences right after I ask them something. It seems if it's longer than that, their thought trails off. I don't know how to let my tulpa use whatever brain resources needed to say more complex things. I don't know what I would do with my own thoughts while listening to a longer response. A few times it seemed my tulpa had something a little longer to say, and it felt like I was wording it out myself for them, just translating the idea for them.

have you tried proxying?

Isn't proxying writing down what they said to me?

basically

8:22 PM

usually in terms of a conversation

Oh yeah, I've been doing that

in terms of only hearing parts of a sentence, that seems to be a pretty common thing

8:23 PM

we think it's an issue where they're trying to communicate more in tulpish than with actual words, and you're... like, translating it, but not completely? it's hard to explain

Almost like eavesdroppinp

8:25 PM

(In terms of how much of a conversation you get)

Sometimes I think my tulpa has something to say, and I try to give them time to say it (though I'm a little impatient), but then I don't hear them say anything. Not sure what they need to be able to think things through

It’s quite easy for me so I’m not really sure. Sometimes your tulpa will change their mind though. Maybe you’re wanting them to talk so you think they will but they actually don’t? Idk I wouldn’t freak out about it. Just talk the way you do and if they decide they want to talk let them. Sometimes your mind tricks itself or something. I may not be wording this right but I wouldn’t worry unless this becomes constant and they never get to speak. How long have you had it? Newer tulpas have a tougher time vocalising.

I started 3 and a half months ago, Aya started talking after about 2 months, gradually saying more over time

@Cassilda "the word "idolized" is both consistently misspelled"

I see. Maybe ask her about how you’re feeling. Like not knowing if she will talk or not, and see if there’s a special way she can tell you she’s about to talk so that you know. Sometimes it happens though

are you american by any chance?

Yes.

we use "idolised" here in the old world

I was unaware. It's not really a big deal.

I spell things both in British English and in American English

thanks for an excessive feedback; I'll look into it

Johanna, it usually goes A: "let me talk" me: Okay, what do you want to say? A: "..."

9:10 PM

but I think I'm derailing this channel's purpose

on the subconscious hm.

9:17 PM

now; I'm not a psychologist; I'm majoring in journalism here

9:17 PM

but in the context of the default mode network the articles around the net seem to use "subconscious"

9:17 PM

DMN is clearly not "unconscious"

Most of the research we've been looking at on the DMN was arguing it was responsible for conscious surface thoughts.

poking @Xe as a local brain expert

how far back should i read the scrollback?

What makes Cadey qualified?

Cadey is the best expert when it comes to tulpa guides?

I'm graduating with a psych & neuroscience degree in two months.

you could easily replace the word "subconscious" with "self" or something similar for the sake of the article

@Shinyuu good old monkey mind?

I'm asking about "subconscious" more in the context of my latest article; really

ah, i have yet to read that actually

9:20 PM

reads

yeah; replacing it with a monkey sounds reasonable; actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_monkey

Mind monkey

Mind monkey or monkey mind, from Chinese xinyuan and Sino-Japanese shin'en 心猿 [lit. "heart-/mind-monkey"], is a Buddhist term meaning "unsettled; restless; capricious; whimsical; fanciful; inconstant; confused; indecisive; uncontrollable". In addition to Buddhist writings...

I was just thinking that you could hedge it a little bit; my objection was more to your statement of tulpas having a separate subconscious than the word itself.

9:22 PM

I've seen a lot of arguments either way and I don't see a lot of firm evidence for or against the idea of tulpas having a separate subconscious.

all the tulpas I met in person noted on having different spontaneous reactions on external stimuli depending who's fronting

9:22 PM

I don't have hard evidence on that

Sure, but that's not the same thing as the subconscious.

indeed; that's why a monkey-mind sounds better

Mai is an experience to be around while she fronts

you all are an experience to be around when any one of you fronts; really. Your subtle winking stuffs gee.

9:24 PM

well screw it; I'll go rewrite everything into monkeys.

at the least kill the acronym

9:24 PM

it just confuses me while reading it

The best way to train the DMN is switching. As it is a part of the subconscious thought process, the brain needs to take a different ego as a point of reference for the actions body performs, for the dreams and stray thoughts and being the fronter is the sure way to trick it. As tulpas develop and grow into the body, the brain segregates the subconscious reactions too: tulpas will have their own habits of reacting to a loud noise, their own ways to cross the street, their own ways to daydream. That’s why you might like your ice cream but your tulpa would hate it — as your subconscious preferences diverge even the reaction to a same taste will become different.

9:24 PM

this one ticks me off now.

That might be something to do with your Tulpa then. Maybe she just changes her mind and doesn’t wanna talk

@Shinyuu new rule for writing: acronyms are banned unless those acronyms are words

right?

like the NAT

what's a NAT?

9:25 PM

I only know @Nat Osaka

We usually don't experience segregated habits

yeah; I've been told many times I'm not a tulpa because of that

Mai fidgets with the body's hair a lot differently than the rest of us do

9:27 PM

lots of subtle differences